Did you ever consider that this is the beginning of the process of IOG stepping back as “Master of Cardano”? There has to be a point where they stop. Perhaps your perception is that you’re being stonewalled when, in fact, IOG is doing what you’ve asked, not acting unilaterally
nobody can change the parameters through governance on Cardano. your network is a shameful centralized experience.
Until this gets resolved I'm going to be supporting & retweeting every tweet from @ADAjosephineADA
In one of the last CH videos he said that IOG will create a CIP because of the minfee.
Something is off tbh.
Yeah, I get it. Issue is, time is running and IOHK doesn't even seem to have interest in the debate. Would be good to do some testing, but from the looks and my gut feeling even then the 3 entities wont have any interest in changing parameters due to regulatory risks or gree.
Did you ever consider that this is the beginning of the process of IOG stepping back as “Master of Cardano”? There has to be a point where they stop. Perhaps your perception is that you’re being stonewalled when, in fact, IOG is doing what you’ve asked, not acting unilaterally
Somehow IOG was ok with updating the parameters until 2021 and then they started avoiding and supressing any discussion about it. Now they just say it won't happen until Voltaire. And it's unknown how many years that will take. Probably not less than 4-5 years.
This hopefully is why IOG, CF and Emergo aren't engaging with these requests. They're going full- throttle towards Volatire so that we can both decide on those parameter changes and execute them in a decentralized way.
Am I the only one that finds issue with IOG being the bottleneck here instead of CF?
Yes and no, CIPs seem to get ignored regarding minPool, so there is only governance if IOHK wants it to be governance. That's exactly what people are complaining about. github.com/cardano-founda…
Not much point of governance if there's nothing to govern.
Also, there are intermediary changes to parameters that would go a long way to improving the protocol and are relatively trivial to make.
I've known Cardano wasn't decentralized from the beginning, but I think for most IOG actively listening to the community would be "good enough". Voltaire is when governance will be truly decentralized.
3/3 The community deserves to know that Cardano is NOT decentralized. And that many of the proposals that they support are not even being considered.
2/ This includes all CIPs proposing staking parameter changes (k, a0, minPoolCost). My CIPs, CIP-50, and all other CIPs proposing changes to staking parameters and equations are being completely ignored by IOG and founding entities. The community has no say in staking parameters.
There will be no parameter changes until the MBO. IOG won't risk making a bad decision and is leaving it at the hands of the community. That's decentralization.
The problem isn't that #Cardano is currently centralized, that was always going to be the case before Voltaire.
The real issue is pretending that governance is NOW decentralized when issues are brought up, it's not and it's still 100% up to the controlling entities to fix them
There will be no parameter changes until the MBO. IOG won't risk making a bad decision and is leaving it at the hands of the community. That's decentralization.
The problem isn't that #Cardano is currently centralized, that was always going to be the case before Voltaire.
The real issue is pretending that governance is NOW decentralized when issues are brought up, it's not and it's still 100% up to the controlling entities to fix them
I think that's fair.
I think IOG and Charles in particular shouldn't be so dismissive of these discussions.
I think we're all reasonable folk and if they spoke more to the community, it would settle a lot of folk down.
One thing they can't say though, is "we are not making changes because we've been spooked by the SEC", even if that's the actual reason.
Tough question to ask but might as well ask it: Any clarification on the CIP process @IOHK_Charles
The core function of CIPs is lost as soon as private parties are involved.
Incentive would ALWAYS be to keep the network in the most profitable state for themselves.
Separate these actors from CIP process & take consensus to the community. Outcomes would be vastly different rn
Gm, #Cardano! 🧵
1/ We got news last week that ALL RSS CIPs will now be labeled as "inactive" rather than "proposed" because IOG is not considering ANY of them. Even if you wrote a CIP to simply increase k, they ain't hearing it. But we're decentralized, right? Lmao.
Criticize Cardano's network/staking parameters and you're met with a resounding "let's see your CIP"
Meanwhile: word on the street is the CIP reviewers have tabled any network parameter CIPs
Catch-22 much?